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The Practice of the Practice Podcast | Where Modern Psychology Meets the Business of Therapy

Joe Sanok | Private Practice Consultant, TEDx Speaker & Author of Thursday is the New Friday
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Business growth meets the cutting edge of psychology. This podcast is for psychologists, therapists, counselors, coaches, and wellness professionals. It explores modern psychology and how it connects to building a thriving practice. Hosted by consultant and author Joe Sanok, it features conversations with leading academics, psychologists, business leaders, and mental health experts. Topics include... more

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Recent Guests

Dr. Leah Clionsky
Licensed clinical psychologist and entrepreneur who built Thriving Child Center, a seven-figure private pay child psychology practice.
Thriving Child Center
Episode: What Psychologists Screw Up with Dr. Leah Clionsky | POP 1310
Dr. Michael Mann
One of the world's leading climate scientists and author of Our Fragile Moment
University of Pennsylvania
Episode: Dr. Michael Mann on Our Fragile Moment: How Lessons from Earth’s Past Can Help Us Survive the Climate Crisis | POP 1307
Melissa Bernstein
Co-founder of Melissa & Doug and creator of Lifelines, a wellness brand focused on emotional well-being.
Melissa & Doug, Lifelines
Episode: How to Build a Business that Captures People’s Hearts with Melissa Bernstein of Melissa & Doug Toys | POP 1303
Dr. Brandon Shurn
Director-at-large for the American Mental Health Counselors Association and a supervisor for pre-licensed counselors.
Episode: Grow a Group Practice with Dr. Brandon Shurn | POP 1301
Wendy Pitts Reeves
Seasoned therapist, speaker, and coach for private practice owners
Ideal Practice Podcast
Episode: Money as a Therapy Issue with Wendy Pitts Reeves, LCSW | POP 1298
Jesse Finkelstein
Clinical psychologist and designer of innovative interventions rooted in DBT.
Episode: Real Skills for Real Life: DBT, AI, and the Future of Emotional Support with Shireen L. Rizvi, PhD and Jesse Finkelstein, PsyD | POP 1297
Shireen Rizvi
Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Director of DBT Services and Research
Montefior-Einstein Medical Center
Episode: Real Skills for Real Life: DBT, AI, and the Future of Emotional Support with Shireen L. Rizvi, PhD and Jesse Finkelstein, PsyD | POP 1297
Dakarai Larriett
Author, activist, and US Senate candidate from Alabama
Dakarai Larriett for Senate
Episode: How Dakarai Larriett’s Wrongful Arrest Sparked a Push for Police Accountability | POP 1295
Jill Williams
Licensed clinical social worker and owner of Flourish Counseling and Wellness in Asheville, North Carolina
Flourish Counseling and Wellness
Episode: GPBC25 Series: Building a Thriving Practice in a Saturated Market with Jill Williams | POP 1293

Host

Joe Sanok
Host of the podcast, Joe Sanok is a consultant and author focused on the business side of therapy. He connects academic perspectives with practical strategies to help mental health professionals succeed.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 389 ratings
  • This podcast has amazing guests!

    Podchaser
    5
    naturebrandon
    3 months ago
  • Thoughtful conversation with real impact!

    It was genuinely a pleasure to be featured on SessionSites “takeover” of The Practice of the Practice with host Tom O’Malley, whose warmth, curiosity, and thorough preparation made for an insightful conversation. As a wellness marketer, I valued how Tom seamlessly explored the nuts and bolts of applying the StoryBrand framework to therapy marketing. We were able to unpack practical, clear "words that work" to help therapists connect more effectively with clients. If you're a therapist—whether so... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Jorechwa
    United States5 months ago
  • Fantastic show and great interviewer

    I had the honor of being interviewed by Joe on the podcast and had such an incredible experience. Joe is a great interviewer and a truly caring soul who genuinely wants to serve. I loved connecting with him and loved the depth of his interview. I highly recommend this podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Akshay Nanavati
    United States8 months ago
  • Thanks for all you do Joe

    We had such a great time being guests on The Practice of the Practice podcast! Joe was a fantastic interviewer—engaging, insightful, and genuinely curious. He created such a comfortable space for us to share our story, and the conversation flowed with ease. We’re so grateful for the supportive, inspiring community he’s built for therapists and all the valuable resources he provides to help clinicians grow both personally and professionally. Thank you for having us—it was truly an honor!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Relationship Renovation Tarah
    United States8 months ago
  • Great host and valuable info

    Joe is personable, relatable and fun to listen to. Enjoy learning from him!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Shawnahappy user
    United Statesa year ago

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Many find the podcast to be an invaluable resource for navigating the business side of mental health, providing clarity and actionable strategies.
Reviews highlight the diversity of topics covered, from business metrics to innovative therapeutic practices, appealing to a broad audience of mental health practitioners.
Listeners appreciate the practical advice and insights into growing a therapeutic practice, noting the relevance and accessibility of the content.
Joe Sanok is lauded for his engaging interviewing style, which fosters meaningful conversations with guests.

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Dr. Michael Mann on Our Fragile Moment: How Lessons from Earth’s Past Can Help Us Survive the Climate Crisis | POP 1307
Q: What can the average person do to move towards getting back to some sense of not moving towards catastrophe?
They can participate in collective action, vote for the right policies, and understand the sense of agency they hold in tackling climate issues.
Dr. Michael Mann on Our Fragile Moment: How Lessons from Earth’s Past Can Help Us Survive the Climate Crisis | POP 1307
Q: What do you think can teach us about resilience and responsibility today?
The study of climate change over Earth history shows both resilience and fragility; we must stay within a zone of resilience to avoid dire consequences.
Grow a Group Practice with Dr. Brandon Shurn | POP 1301
Q: Are you seeing any trends around 1099s and W2s?
There's a noticeable movement away from 1099s towards W2 employment models.
Grow a Group Practice with Dr. Brandon Shurn | POP 1301
Q: What are things that most people going from solo into group get wrong?
They often rush the process and fail to define their ideal client and brand clearly.
Grow a Group Practice with Dr. Brandon Shurn | POP 1301
Q: What for you personally, being a group practice owner, have you learned?
I've learned that we must be intentional regarding our growth and scaling strategies.

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Focusing on the intersection of modern psychology and business growth, the content encompasses a wide range of topics relevant to therapists, psychologists, and mental health professionals. This includes in-depth conversations on contemporary practices like psychedelic-assisted therapy, mindfulness strategies, and cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT). Additionally, it emphasizes practical aspects of running a successful practice, providing insights into marketing strategies, operational efficiency, and avoiding burnout while scaling a business.

Notably, the discussions feature a diverse array of guests, including academics, business leaders, and mental health experts, which creates a rich tapestry of perspectives. The podcast aims to empower... more

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1. Dr. Leah Clionsky
2. Dr. Michael Mann
3. Melissa Bernstein
4. Dr. Brandon Shurn
5. Wendy Pitts Reeves
6. Jesse Finkelstein
7. Shireen Rizvi
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