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Understandable Insights: Information to Intelligence with Sue Gordon

Sue Gordon & Eric Koepp
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Welcome to “Understandable Insights: Information to Intelligence with Sue Gordon” — the national security podcast that provides you an elemental understanding of the world as it is, not how you prefer it to be.

Each week, Eric — a former Marine, father, and entrepreneur — sits down with the Honorable Sue Gordon, the nation’s former top career intelligence officer. Together, they break down the h... more

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"When trust is no longer institutionalized, we improvise it, and when legitimacy is no longer settled, then it's performed, and when neither is renewed, risk quietly accumulates." 

In this episode of Understandable Insights, Sue and Eric  start with... more

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When technology companies operate as economic engines, civic spaces, and geopolitical actors without the obligations that traditionally accompany that level of power, sovereignty itself begins to redistribute. In this episode, Sue and Eric examine th... more

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Precedent is set by what we excuse, not what we celebrate.

When power acts first and explains later, accountability erodes—and precedent takes hold. In this episode, Sue and Eric examine recent events in Minnesota, federal enforcement surges, and gl... more

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In this episode we argue that elections are not only symbolic rituals—they are critical infrastructure with attack surfaces. The most consequential threat is seldom a hacked machine—in fact, our technical infrastructure is remarkably sound; it is the... more

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Eric Koepp
Co-host, a former Marine, father, and entrepreneur. He provides insights into various discussions with a unique perspective.
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The Honorable Sue Gordon, former top career intelligence officer, providing expert insights into national security issues.

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 29 ratings
  • Out of date

    You two are still living in 2015. The internal and external operation and understanding of the USA has undergone a sea change since then. And not for the better

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    bella oo29
    Canada5 months ago
  • Wow

    Sue and Eric are off to a fantastic start. The insights are real and important, delivered in a conversational manner. The chemistry they have and back and forth banter is well ahead of where you’d expect a new podcast. Highly recommend!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Hook ‘em 2025
    United States6 months ago
  • Unparalleled Perspective

    Sue Gordon’s insights come from a lifetime of serving her country…serving the office of the president rather than a party is a striking and welcoming lesson. Sue, can you address the importance of diversity from a national intelligence perspective? Sending love.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    WannabeSue
    United States6 months ago
  • Sue Gordon is the BEST

    So knowledgeable and so easy to listen to!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    RoMo46
    United States6 months ago
  • A master class in security

    Great information for anyone who who is concerned about local and national security matters. The AI portion was a bit daunting. I look forward to Sue and Eric going deeper on the cyber and AI basics, security and implications . I think the School House Rock on these topics sounds amazing, particularly for someone who grew up on SCH. The discussion on Ukraine and the USA’s reputation, and the war of Russian aggression in general, was insightful. Particularly the benefits to the USA of doing what... more

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    Hey Mama Warrior
    United States7 months ago

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Ep. 30 Trust Can't Be Borrowed: When Authority is Misapplied, It Doesn’t Reassure
Q: Can you tell us a little bit more about the responsibilities of the ODNI?
The Director of National Intelligence has zero domestic authorities, all authorities are foreign.
Ep. 27 Democracy Under Stress: Elections as Infrastructure, Conditional Acceptance, & Human Strength
Q: What questions are you asking of your candidates as you go to the booth in November?
Sue suggests asking candidates if they are prepared to accept the results of the election, even if they lose, asserting that the legitimacy of elections is paramount.
Ep. 27 Democracy Under Stress: Elections as Infrastructure, Conditional Acceptance, & Human Strength
Q: How do we help the people?
Sue emphasizes the importance of recognizing the individuals serving in the electoral system and the need for leadership that calms and instills confidence in the electoral process.
Ep. 27 Democracy Under Stress: Elections as Infrastructure, Conditional Acceptance, & Human Strength
Q: What do you think about this lady being in this position?
Sue comments on the intellectual dishonesty of appointing someone to oversee election integrity without a genuine commitment to fairness, reflecting a disturbing trend in election administration.
Ep. 27 Democracy Under Stress: Elections as Infrastructure, Conditional Acceptance, & Human Strength
Q: What do you think about this reduction in funding and the overall threats to the infrastructure?
Sue expresses concern about the diminished federal guidance and support, highlighting the vulnerability this introduces, especially as states prepare for upcoming elections.

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