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Untangled is a podcast about technology, people, and power. untangled.substack.com

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Hi there,

Welcome back to Untangled. It’s written by me, ​Charley Johnson​, and ​supported​ by members like you. This week I’m sharing my conversation with Miranda Bogen (Director, AI Governance Lab, Center for Democracy & Technology) about what hap... more

Hi there,

Welcome back to Untangled. It’s written by me, ​Charley Johnson​, and ​supported​ by members like you. This week, I’m sharing my conversation with Evan Ratliff, journalist and host of the thought-provoking podcast, Shell Game.

As always, ... more

If you’ve sensed a shift in Untangled of late, you’re not wrong. I’m writing a lot more about ‘complex systems.’ To name a few:

* What even is a ‘complex system’ and how do you know if you’re in one.

* How to act interdependently and do the next ri... more

This week, I spoke with Harry Law, Editorial Lead at the Cosmos Institute and a researcher at the University of Cambridge, about AI and autonomy. Harry wrote a terrific essay on how generative AI might serve human autonomy rather than the empires Big... more

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Miranda Bogen
Director of the AI Governance Lab at the Center for Democracy & Technology and co-author of the report 'Risky Business'
Center for Democracy & Technology
Episode: When Your AI Assistant Becomes an Advertiser
Aarn Wennekers
Author of the newsletter Super Cool & Hyper Critical, writing about strategy and systems thinking.
Super Cool & Hyper Critical
Episode: The Universe Called. It Says Your Theory of Change Is Cute.
Evan Ratliff
Journalist and host of Shell Game
Episode: There’s no such thing as ‘fully autonomous’ agents
Greg Epstein
Humanist chaplain and author of 'Tech Agnostic'
Harvard and MIT
Episode: Is tech a religion? Is Elon Musk a hungry ghost?
Anya Kamenetz
Freelance journalist and author focusing on education and technology
The Golden Hour
Episode: Block, build, be
Arvind Narayanan
Professor of Computer Science at Princeton University and co-author of the book AI Snake Oil
Princeton University
Episode: Is AI snake oil?
Karen Hao
A journalist and writer focused on technology and its social implications.
MIT Technology Review
Episode: OpenAI’s mythology, Meta’s secret, and Microsoft’s hypocrisy.

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Charley Johnson
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When Your AI Assistant Becomes an Advertiser
Q: What advice or wisdom would you offer your teenage self?
To be more aware of the influence of ads and incentives, encouraging younger generations to critically think about the implications of the technology they use.
When Your AI Assistant Becomes an Advertiser
Q: How do you expect the ad experience and associated privacy harm to be different from what we've experienced with search and social media?
The advertising method in social media interrupts user experience, while interactive chatbots like ChatGPT allow for more intimate user data collection due to the nature of user queries, which could lead to greater privacy risks.
Can we democratize AI?
Q: How did these participatory processes influence the decisions of companies like Anthropic and OpenAI?
Some principles from the public constitution influenced production at Anthropic, and OpenAI established a collective alignment team following the participatory process.
Can we democratize AI?
Q: How do you approach a company like Anthropic with this pilot idea?
Companies express interest in participation but remain skeptical about its necessity for improvement, leading to experimentation in the process.
Can we democratize AI?
Q: What are alignment assemblies and what have you learned from them?
Alignment assemblies are designed to involve diverse individuals in shaping AI goals, enabling broader societal input. They have shown that public participation can lead to less biased AI models by aggregating different voices and perspectives.

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Focusing on the intersections of technology, society, and ethics, this podcast engages with contemporary issues surrounding artificial intelligence and its impact on human autonomy, workplaces, and cultural narratives. It typically features conversations with industry leaders, researchers, and journalists who provide insights into the challenges and potentialities of integrating technology into everyday life. Unique for its critical stance towards technology, the context often examines the implications of power dynamics and ethical considerations, such as accountability in AI, the importance of curiosity over judgment, and the role of consent in technological advancements. Potential listeners interested in how technology shapes societal str... more

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