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Doctors and other health care professionals are too often socialized and pressured to become "efficient task completers" rather than healers, which leads to unengaged and unimaginative medical practice, burnout, and diminished quality of care. It doesn't have to be that way. With a range of thoughtful guests, co-hosts Saul Weiner MD and Stefan Kertesz MD MS, interrogate the culture and context in ... more

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A growing number of US states and other nations are legalizing either voluntary euthanasia in which a physician (or designate) administers lethal drugs, or physician-assisted dying in which the drugs are given to the patient to self-administer. Our g... more

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For years, doctors and those learning to practice medicine were told pain is "the fifth vital sign" and to treat it aggressively – including with opioids, "if that's what it takes." A consequent rise in opioid prescribing contributed to the devastati... more

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From the 1940 to the 1970's, medicine went from an almost exclusively male club to a profession in which women physicians were commonplace.

Our physician guest is Dr. Anne Walling, who has written a book about the experiences of 37 women who atten... more

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Medical educators generally acknowledge the importance of training doctors who care for the whole patient rather than just treat the disease. Most medical school curricula attempt to teach to that philosophy, but how successful are they, really? Our ... more

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Recent Guests

Erica Baccus
Author and wife of John Baccus, who chose assisted dying.
SoulSparks Press
Episode: Assisted Dying: An End-of-Life Care Option or a Line Physicians Should Never Cross?
Anne Walling
Physician and author of Women in Medicine, Stories from the Girls in White.
University of Kansas School of Medicine
Episode: Despite It All: stories from women who found joy in medicine despite joining a less than welcoming profession
Robert C. Smith
A physician in internal medicine with expertise in mental health.
Michigan State University
Episode: The biopsychosocial model: What would it take to really replace the biomedical model?
Dr. Lisa Iezzoni
Physician, research scholar, and expert in health service delivery and measurement with a disability from multiple sclerosis.
Harvard Medical School
Episode: "Disability is part of the human experience": So why not treat it that way?
Liz Chiarello
Associate Professor of Sociology at St. Louis University
St. Louis University
Episode: Caring for Patients or Policing Them? Prescription Drug Monitoring, Doctors and Opioids
John Lawrence
Pediatric surgeon and past president of Doctors Without Borders USA
Doctors Without Borders USA
Episode: A Conversation with Pediatric Surgeon John Lawrence MD, Past Board President of Doctors Without Borders, USA
Emily Murphy
Assistant Professor at the Johns Hopkins Hospital and Hopkins Children's Center
Johns Hopkins Hospital
Episode: Addressing Social Drivers of Health: What is the role of the clinician?
Professor Laura Greene
Professor at Augustana College, an expert in literature and its intersection with healthcare.
Augustana College
Episode: Some Pitfalls of Narrative Medicine and How to Avoid Them
Martin Shapiro
Professor of Medicine at Weill Cornell Medical College, physician with a PhD in history and an MPH
Weill Cornell Medical College
Episode: Can we learn and practice medicine well in a system that is so ill?

Hosts

Saul Weiner
Co-host with a focus on the interplay between medical education and patient-centered care. He actively advocates against the systemic pressures that diminish the role of healing in medicine.
Stefan Kertesz
Co-host engaging in thoughtful dialogues on the implications of healthcare practices and the importance of professional integrity and patient care.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 58 ratings
  • Women Walling

    Fabulous discussion. Perfect for women in medicine month.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    trohrkir
    United States3 months ago
  • A Vision for Physicians Who Can Truly Heal

    As a neurologist and clerkship director, these conversations give me real hope that our deeply broken medical system can be reimagined. They illuminate how we can educate young physicians to remain deeply committed to their patients while being trusted, supported, and protected from the toxic environments that too often leave them feeling exploited. Listening reminds me why I chose this work—and why it matters to keep shaping the next generation of healers.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Meli Motta
    United States4 months ago
  • Has Medicine lost its mind?

    Saul and Stefan are really good interviewers to work with. We covered such a wide range of controversial issues, and I learned a lot from them.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Has Medicine lost its mind?
    United States4 months ago
  • Thoughtful and accessible discussions on healing

    This podcast, definitely led by two very articulate and thoughtful physicians, Dells into the edges of what it means to be a healer. They also think very carefully about larger societal influences on being physicians, including racism, including political thoughts, including how to operate in a complex healthcare system. They also have a real comfort with each other and are able to amplify and clarify things that each other says in a way to make it accessible to the listeners.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JPJane
    United States9 months ago
  • Healing Insights for All

    “On Becoming a Healer” offers engaging discussions on improving lives. Though aimed at medical pros, non-medical listeners gain much from its empathy, communication, & caregiving insights. Dynamic & insightful, it’s valuable for anyone passionate about healing & meaningful connections.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JuhBLAM
    United States10 months ago

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Assisted Dying: An End-of-Life Care Option or a Line Physicians Should Never Cross?
Q: What led you to choose assisted dying for John?
After extensive discussions, Erica sought to honor John's wishes, believing it was a gift to allow him the choice of how to end his life dignifiedly.
Assisted Dying: An End-of-Life Care Option or a Line Physicians Should Never Cross?
Q: How did John feel about living with Alzheimer's?
John expressed strong feelings about not wanting to live without his cognitive faculties and indicated he would prefer to die before reaching that point.
Despite It All: stories from women who found joy in medicine despite joining a less than welcoming profession
Q: Can you say a little bit more about your own ambivalence?
The speaker expresses guilt about not standing up for herself more during her journey and reflects on the complexity of navigating her career as a woman in medicine.
Despite It All: stories from women who found joy in medicine despite joining a less than welcoming profession
Q: How closely or how different is this from your own experience?
The speaker identifies with some of the experiences shared by the interviewees, especially regarding the challenges of balancing career and family.
Despite It All: stories from women who found joy in medicine despite joining a less than welcoming profession
Q: What was going on there that there would be progress and then regress?
Changes in social dynamics, influenced by external pressures like the Flexner Report, cultural expectations, and legislative actions such as Title IX.

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What is On Becoming a Healer about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Focusing on the critical role of empathy and relational care in healthcare, this show explores the prevailing challenges within the medical profession. Co-hosts, both medically trained professionals, engage in deep conversations that highlight the tension between efficiency and genuine patient care, addressing how societal pressures shape medical training. It examines various systemic issues, including burnout among clinicians, the influence of diversity and inclusion in medical education, and the ethical dilemmas posed by contemporary healthcare practices. Unique in its reflective and human-centric perspective, the content appeals not only to medical professionals but to anyone interested in the nuances of caregiving and healing in a compl... more

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2. Anne Walling
3. Robert C. Smith
4. Dr. Lisa Iezzoni
5. Liz Chiarello
6. John Lawrence
7. Emily Murphy
8. Professor Laura Greene

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