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Cyber-safety is patient-safety. On “UnHack,” Drex DeFord, veteran healthcare CIO and infused strategist, breaks down the biggest cybersecurity and risk challenges facing healthcare today. Drex and expert guests explore what happened, why it matters, and how to build real-world resilience. The show's a mostly plain-English, mostly non-technical discussion that dives into the people, process, and te... more

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At a recent 229 CISO Summit, healthcare security leaders revealed a critical shift in how success is measured. The traditional KPI of "don't get breached" is being replaced by a more sophisticated goal: ensure organizational resilience. Drex explains... more

February 9, 2026: Bill Russell, Drex DeFord, and Sarah Richardson dissect J.P. Morgan healthcare presentations to reveal what's really being asked of technology leaders in 2026. The era of transformation talk is over; executives want friction reduced... more

Drex explores a fundamental shift in AI: agents that don't wait for prompts, persist indefinitely, and now learn from each other through social platforms. Molt Bot and Molt Book represent a new ecosystem where autonomous agents coordinate, adapt, and... more

February 2, 2026: Are health systems being sidelined from healthcare's innovation revolution? Jason Rose, CEO of Clearsense, joins This Week Health fresh from the J.P. Morgan Conference to challenge the narrative that providers are absent from innova... more

On Data Privacy Day, Drexon challenges healthcare leaders to move beyond compliance checkboxes and recognize privacy as a core component of "do no harm." As patient data flows through EHRs, cloud platforms, and AI systems, the responsibility to prote... more

January 27, 2026: Jack Kufahl, CISO at Michigan Medicine, and Gregory Garneau, System VP and CISO at Hospital Sisters Health System, join Drex for an unfiltered conversation about building cybersecurity programs that outlast their founders. From hiri... more

January 26, 2026: Fresh from J.P. Morgan 2026, the This Week Health team joins Zahid Rathore, Senior Partner at Chartis, to dissect healthcare's new reality. With Epic and Microsoft topping CFO spend lists and unpredictability replacing planning cycl... more

In a stunning betrayal of trust, two cybersecurity professionals—an incident response manager and a ransomware negotiator—pled guilty to operating as affiliates of the AlphaV/BlackCat ransomware gang. Between May and November 2023, they attacked five... more

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Charles Knight
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Will Houston
Network Security Manager at Mount Desert Island Hospital.
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Episode: Solution Showcase: Pro Security In Your Pocket With Will Houston, Preston Duren, and Spencer Bales
Spencer Bales
Vice President of Product at Fortified Health Security.
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Episode: Solution Showcase: Pro Security In Your Pocket With Will Houston, Preston Duren, and Spencer Bales
Shawna Hofer
CISO at St. Luke's Health System in Boise, Idaho
St. Luke's
Episode: UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Dave Dyell
Principal at Innovative Consulting Group
Innovative Consulting Group
Episode: Newsday: Merger Madness and Why Hospitals are Moving Back to On-Prem Data with Dave Dyell
Bill Willis
Guest and participant in the healthcare transformation discussion
Episode: Newsday: Doing More with Less and Budgeting Wake-Up Calls with Bill Willis
Kurt Telep
Healthcare Field CTO at Nutanix
Nutanix
Episode: Executive Interview: How Complexity Kills Innovation and Lasting IT Leadership with Kurt Telep
Vik Patel
An expert in data management and cloud solutions
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Episode: Newsday: AWS Outage Exploration and Removing Risk from Your Data with Vik Patel
Preston Duren
Threat Services at Fortified Health Security
Fortified Health Security
Episode: Newsday: MFA Isn't Enough and Why Healthcare Can’t Just Hack Back with Preston Duren

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Drex DeFord
Drex DeFord is a seasoned healthcare CIO and strategist, known for his insights on cybersecurity and risk management in healthcare. He hosts discussions that break down complex topics for a wide healthcare audience, emphasizing the importance of collaboration in ensuring cybersecurity. His experience spans multiple leadership roles, focusing on integrating technology and security to enhance patient safety.

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Newsday: Are Health Systems Falling Behind in the Innovation Race? with Jason Rose
Q: Can you say more about the actual execution of ideas from these presentations?
There were less organizations that spoke specifically about results, which raises concerns about the practical execution of visionary ideas presented.
UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Q: What's something about being a health care CISO that most outsiders don't really understand about the job?
Shawna highlights that being a successful health care CISO requires strong relational skills and the ability to work collaboratively with diverse teams, adapting communication to different audiences.
UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Q: How are you all thinking about AI governance and data protection and risks that weren't there six months ago or five or six days ago?
Shawna explains they are embedding new AI governance into existing processes without creating entirely new ones, while also forming an AI governance body to oversee AI initiatives.
UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Q: Tell me about how you have been thinking about the culture built around cybersecurity?
Shawna discusses the importance of making security a shared responsibility through education and initiatives that involve staff at all levels, particularly through community engagement and collaboration.
Executive Interview: How Complexity Kills Innovation and Lasting IT Leadership with Kurt Telep
Q: If you could whisper one piece of advice in a CIO's ear about the future and how they can better engage with it, what would it be?
Focus on simplicity and choose platforms and tools that integrate well, leveraging the resources you already have.

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Focusing on the critical intersection of cybersecurity and healthcare safety, episodes typically examine pressing challenges within the healthcare industry. Numerous topics relate to risk management and strategies for building resilience against cyber threats, which are increasingly sophisticated. Guests often include cybersecurity professionals and healthcare leaders, discussing various themes such as identity management, operational resilience, and the implications of emerging technologies like AI in driving efficiencies. This content is particularly relevant to those in healthcare roles who may not have a technical background but are engaged in ensuring patient safety through improved security practices. The discussions aim to empower a ... more

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