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Cyber-safety is patient-safety. On “UnHack,” Drex DeFord, veteran healthcare CIO and infused strategist, breaks down the biggest cybersecurity and risk challenges facing healthcare today. Drex and expert guests explore what happened, why it matters, and how to build real-world resilience. The show's a mostly plain-English, mostly non-technical discussion that dives into the people, process, and te... more

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December 19, 2025: CMS has unveiled its new ACCESS Model—an ambitious 10-year initiative aimed at expanding digital, tech-enabled care for millions of Medicare beneficiaries. In this discussion, Laura O’Toole, CEO of SureTest, joins Bill and Sarah to... more

From crippling outages to AI-powered deepfakes, 2025 tested healthcare cybersecurity like never before. This year-end recap explores the moments that mattered most: how teams built resilience during system failures, why users became partners instead ... more

A critical vulnerability called React to Shell exposed tens of thousands of systems worldwide, triggering immediate exploitation by threat actors—including China-nexus groups—within minutes of disclosure. Drex breaks down how this flaw turns innocent... more

December 15, 2025: What if healthcare's biggest breakthroughs require throwing out the playbook? Joined by Daniel Schubert, CEO and Co-Founder of Revuud, this episode explores how AI is fundamentally reshaping healthcare IT strategy, from deploying c... more

December 12, 2025: When cloud platforms like AWS and Azure experience outages, hospitals across the country feel the impact. But are healthcare organizations truly prepared for these disruptions? Charles Knight, Founder of EHC Consulting, explores th... more

December 10, 2025: Valley Medical Center's CIO and SVP, Brian Jones, faced a critical challenge: transform aging infrastructure while enabling his team to focus on data-driven healthcare delivery. In this candid conversation with Drex DeFord and Rack... more

December 8, 2025: Healthcare systems are drowning in administrative calls while patients struggle with fragmented portals and coordination nightmares. Will Akers, Chief Strategy Officer from Switchboard, MD, joins Bill Russell, Sarah Richardson, and ... more

Drex DeFord explores what he calls the "trust recession"—a era where deepfakes, AI-generated content, and sophisticated social engineering have made it nearly impossible to distinguish real from fake. From synthetic customer service agents to North K... more

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Recent Guests

Charles Knight
Founder and Managing Partner at EHC Consulting
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Will Houston
Network Security Manager at Mount Desert Island Hospital.
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Spencer Bales
Vice President of Product at Fortified Health Security.
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Shawna Hofer
CISO at St. Luke's Health System in Boise, Idaho
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Episode: UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Dave Dyell
Principal at Innovative Consulting Group
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Episode: Newsday: Merger Madness and Why Hospitals are Moving Back to On-Prem Data with Dave Dyell
Kurt Telep
Healthcare Field CTO at Nutanix
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Episode: Executive Interview: How Complexity Kills Innovation and Lasting IT Leadership with Kurt Telep
Preston Duren
Threat Services at Fortified Health Security
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Episode: Newsday: MFA Isn't Enough and Why Healthcare Can’t Just Hack Back with Preston Duren
Bill Willis
An expert in identity and access management with extensive experience in the field.
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Episode: Executive Interview: Solving Healthcare's Identity Access Management Complexity with Bill Willis
Russell Teague
Cybersecurity expert and principal at Fortified Health Security
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Episode: Newsday: The Perfect Storm in Healthcare Cybersecurity: AI, Costs, and Risk with Russell Teague

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Drex DeFord
Drex DeFord is a seasoned healthcare CIO and strategist, known for his insights on cybersecurity and risk management in healthcare. He hosts discussions that break down complex topics for a wide healthcare audience, emphasizing the importance of collaboration in ensuring cybersecurity. His experience spans multiple leadership roles, focusing on integrating technology and security to enhance patient safety.

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UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Q: What's something about being a health care CISO that most outsiders don't really understand about the job?
Shawna highlights that being a successful health care CISO requires strong relational skills and the ability to work collaboratively with diverse teams, adapting communication to different audiences.
UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Q: How are you all thinking about AI governance and data protection and risks that weren't there six months ago or five or six days ago?
Shawna explains they are embedding new AI governance into existing processes without creating entirely new ones, while also forming an AI governance body to oversee AI initiatives.
UnHack (the Podcast): Breaking Down Silos and Building Up Culture with Shawna Hofer
Q: Tell me about how you have been thinking about the culture built around cybersecurity?
Shawna discusses the importance of making security a shared responsibility through education and initiatives that involve staff at all levels, particularly through community engagement and collaboration.
Executive Interview: How Complexity Kills Innovation and Lasting IT Leadership with Kurt Telep
Q: If you could whisper one piece of advice in a CIO's ear about the future and how they can better engage with it, what would it be?
Focus on simplicity and choose platforms and tools that integrate well, leveraging the resources you already have.
Executive Interview: How Complexity Kills Innovation and Lasting IT Leadership with Kurt Telep
Q: For Healthcare IT teams, what's real right now and what's hype?
Healthcare organizations are likely to consume AI as a workload, using out-of-the-box solutions from existing vendors rather than developing their own AI models.

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Frequently Asked Questions About UnHack

What is UnHack about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Focusing on the critical intersection of cybersecurity and healthcare safety, episodes typically examine pressing challenges within the healthcare industry. Numerous topics relate to risk management and strategies for building resilience against cyber threats, which are increasingly sophisticated. Guests often include cybersecurity professionals and healthcare leaders, discussing various themes such as identity management, operational resilience, and the implications of emerging technologies like AI in driving efficiencies. This content is particularly relevant to those in healthcare roles who may not have a technical background but are engaged in ensuring patient safety through improved security practices. The discussions aim to empower a ... more

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