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The Non-Billable Podcast

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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm - now asking the questions he wished h... more

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John Quinn is one of the most influential figures in modern Big Law. In this episode, he reflects on how Quinn Emanuel grew from a four-lawyer spin-out in Los Angeles into the world’s leading litigation-only firm - which is constantly rated as the th... more

Pierson Ferdinand launched in January 2024 in what it says was the largest law firm debut in US history - starting with around 130 partners and growing to more than 270 in under two years. In this episode, co-founders Michael Pierson and Joel Ferdina... more

In this episode, we speak with Simon Leaf - a former Mishcon de Reya partner who has launched Three Points Law, a tech-enabled boutique focused on technology, sport and commercial/IP work alongside fellow former Mishcon lawyer Tom Murray.

After 15 ... more

Alongside Harvey, Legora has quickly become a frontrunner in the legal AI platform race, offering lawyers a suite of productivity tools for contract review, drafting, legal research and large-scale document analysis. Its rise has been startlingly fas... more

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Recent Guests

Michael Pierson
Co-founder of Pierson Ferdinand, previously associated with AmLaw firms.
Pierson Ferdinand
Episode: The US law firm shaking up London - with partner pay Big Law rivals can't match
Joel Ferdinand
Co-founder of Pierson Ferdinand, with a background at leading law firms.
Pierson Ferdinand
Episode: The US law firm shaking up London - with partner pay Big Law rivals can't match
Simon Leaf
Former partner at Mishcon de Reya, co-founder of Three Points Law
Three Points Law
Episode: Leaving Big Law to start an AI-enabled boutique
Alex Fortescue-Webb
Head of UK and Ireland and head of legal engineering at Legora.
Legora
Episode: Inside $1.8bn Legora: Alex Fortescue-Webb on the legal AI platform race
David Morley
Former managing and senior partner of Allen & Overy
Dejonghe and Morley
Episode: Why private equity wants a piece of Big Law: Former A&O boss David Morley on what's really happening
Siobhán Lewington
A partner at Macrae in London and transatlantic headhunter focused on partner and team moves.
Macrae
Episode: The $20m law firm partner: Headhunter Siobhán Lewington on the battle for Big Law talent
John Haddock
Chief Business Officer at Harvey
Harvey
Episode: Harvey: Inside the $5bn legal AI startup taking over Big Law with chief business officer John Haddock
Sebastian Lach
Partner at Hogan Lovells and head of Eltemate, their legal tech subsidiary.
Hogan Lovells
Episode: Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI
Stuart Bedford
Global Head of Legal at KPMG, previously Head of Corporate at Linklaters
KPMG
Episode: 'The reality is very different': KPMG legal chief Stuart Bedford on what people get wrong about the Big Four’s legal ambitions

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Oliver Attinger
Host of The Non-Billable Podcast with a background in finance law and in-house experience at an investment bank.

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How a 245-year-old City firm stays ahead: Wedlake Bell’s Camilla Wallace on external capital, culture and what juniors want today
Q: What do you feel the sort of biggest challenges in leading a modern law firm?
The tech is a huge challenge... the human aspects of how we work is incredibly important.
How a 245-year-old City firm stays ahead: Wedlake Bell’s Camilla Wallace on external capital, culture and what juniors want today
Q: How do you define Wedlake Bell's position in the London market these days?
We have been on quite the journey in terms of size... we're still in this mid-tier market.
Quinn Emanuel co-founder John Quinn on building a global disputes powerhouse
Q: What do you think goes into making a really good lawyer?
Having judgment and the ability to distance oneself from personal biases to assess how decision-makers will react is crucial.
Quinn Emanuel co-founder John Quinn on building a global disputes powerhouse
Q: What was the original idea for Quinn Emanuel and how did you make it happen?
We originally had an idea of having a small branch office that developed into a litigation-only firm after recognizing the strength in that model.
Leaving Big Law to start an AI-enabled boutique
Q: Why did you leave Mishcon?
Simon explains that it became increasingly difficult to service clients in the traditional big law environment and wanted to lawyer differently.

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This series engages legal professionals by focusing on the evolving landscape of the law industry, providing insights from high-profile guests including top lawyers and law firm leaders. Topics cover the impact of legal technology, strategies for career advancement, and the challenges facing modern law practices beyond traditional billable hour structures. The discussions often reflect real-world applications and aim to arm listeners with actionable insights that can influence their approach to the business of law.

Notably, the conversations frequently touch upon innovation within the legal sector, the integration of technology, and how law firms are adapting to changing client expectations in a competitive marketplace. These elements make... more

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